you askede senate is -- about the debt ceiling -- you asked about the debt ceiling which is first up when they come back. how does the politics of the house to address the debt figure in to politics and the farm bill? >> the theory that leaders were operating under during the debate on the fiscal cliff that we just wrapped up -- if you saw a situation where you needed to find deficit reduction to offset some sort of either spending cuts or offset increase to the debt limit or be paired with an offset, the farm bill would be a good inclusion in that effort. what we heard senator stabenow say today was that a less optimistic view -- was a less optimistic view, but a more realistic view, but that is not likely to happen, given what is going on with the farm bill and given what we have learned. the house has no plans to take it up. they did not take it up at all last congress. it is too early to tell really what the plan is among the house leadership. even if chairman lucas does a farm bill, no one knows where it will go. >> as we are taping, some more news has come out on the house side